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NgAgo: 个人感觉比较中肯而淡定的评价

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NgAgo的发表,我没有特别兴奋,因为毕竟刚发表,却也着实高兴了一下,因为同为华夏同胞心里不免会发出由衷的自豪感,而且难得有这样的能激发自豪感的时刻。这样的情感或者说心情,它源于内心,你便无法拒绝。


不幸的是,这样的文章便注定会有特别的遭遇,至少在我们所熟悉的圈子里。我不做这个方向,对基因编辑也只有肤浅的理解,也没去特别关注。国内网上包括科学网上有很多的评论,有正面的,有负面的,如果正负可以中和的话,给我的整体感觉便是“原罪的玲珑显现”。真心希望NgAgo成为主流的基因编辑工具。


偶然发现网上有关于NgAgo的讨论,于是读了下,感觉很中肯,便贴如下。


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Will new gene editing tech NgAgo challenge CRISPR?

Posted on May 15, 2016

What could be better than CRISPR for gene editing?

A new genetic modification technology called NgAgo has some researchers really excited. How does it compare to CRISPR?

I’ll admit it that as a scientist who works on genetics and genomics, I am really enjoying the power and simplicity of CRISPR-Cas9 type technology for genome editing. We are working with it extensively in my lab. One of the remarkable things about CRISPR is how fast the technology has evolved in just the last 2 years.

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NgAgo, Figure 5, Nature Biotechnology

Despite all that warp speed for CRISPR, some are asking: could NgAgo zoom past CRISPR?

While NgAgo is indeed a nifty new genome editing technology based on DNA guides instead of RNA guides, it’s not going to immediately race ahead of CRISPR [NgAgo不会立即超过CRISPR]…not yet any way. Still it’s got people buzzing.

A recent Nature Biotechnology paper from Chunyu Han’s lab, DNA-guided genome editing using the Natronobacterium gregoryi Argonaute, is a must-read for genome editing folks who want to learn about NgAgo. Their team sums up NgAgo’s potential pluses this way (emphasis mine):

“The useful features of NgAgo for genome editing include the following.First, it has a low tolerance to guide–target mismatch. A single nucleotide mismatch at each position of the gDNA impaired the cleavage efficiency of NgAgo, and mismatches at three positions completely blocked cleavage in our experiments. Second, 5′ phosphorylated short ssDNAs are rare in mammalian cells, which minimizes the possibility of cellular oligonucleotides misguiding NgAgo.Third, NgAgo follows a ‘one-guide-faithful’ rule, that is, a guide can only be loaded when NgAgo protein is in the process of expression, and, once loaded, NgAgo cannot swap its gDNA with other free ssDNA at 37 °C. All of these features could minimize off-target effects. Finally, it is easy to design and synthesize ssDNAs and to adjust their concentration, which is difficult with the Cas9-sgRNA system, if the sgRNA is expressed from a plasmid and the normal dosage of an ssDNA guide is only ~1/10 of that of a sgRNA expression plasmid.

NgAgo might be a more orderly way and perhaps even simpler way to go about genome editing than CRISPR, but the jury is still out on that until there are more papers and data [但是,对于NgAgo,仍需后续文章和数据的验证评判]. The NgAgo edit efficiency at this preliminary stage of technology development seems very strong (see Figure 5 from the paper above).

NgAgo is a nifty new kid on the block for genome editing so let’s see what more we learn about it in coming months via the almost certain flood of additional papers that tell us more about it [我们将会通过几乎可以肯定会跟进的大波的文章对NgAgo有更多的了解].

Hat tip to my colleague Dave Segal on the NgAgo paper.

13 THOUGHTS ON “WILL NEW GENE EDITING TECH NGAGO CHALLENGE CRISPR?
  1. T. Suzuki on May 15, 2016 at 3:58 pm said:

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    Stability and consistency might by the keyword[稳定性和一致性是关键点], now we had two studies on human embryo showing CRISPR-Cas9 does not necessarily reach the target genes: NgAgo is betting on this aspect to gain popularity. Now, only the future will tell which of the two technique swill prevail, but let’s expect it will create a healthy competition environment.[时间会告诉我们是CRISPR还是NgAgo会成为主流,拟期待一个健康的竞争性环境

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  2. Anonymous Stem Cell Repairman on May 15, 2016 at 5:16 pm said:

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    The quick answer is to invoke Betteridge’s law of headlines: no.

    To go by the point-by-point breakdown:

    1) Low tolerance to mismatch is also a feature of Cas9. We’ve learned that by looking at sequenced iPSC genomes from the Church lab.

    2) The rationale for misguiding is actually the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard for genome engineering problems. This is a non-issue. (Also, phosphorylated ssDNA may be viewed as DNA damage or an infection, both of which would be undesirable for genome manipulation).

    3) I can’t recall if anyone has actually looked at the sgRNA swapout rate for Cas9, so this might be an advantage, maybe, kinda, if one is worried about extremely unlikely things happening?

    4) It is easy to design and synthesize sgRNAs as well, as long as you do it yourself and are careful during the synthesis step.

    Regarding Figure 5, that editing efficiency actually seems fairly low to me for HEK293T cells (you know, the cell type where everything always works well). [据图5,在我看来,NgAgo在HEK293T细胞中的编辑效率似乎相当低(你知道,在HEK293T中,几乎所有方法都工作得很好)]They also reference a supplementary figure (S8) when describing Figure 5, where their claim is Southern blotting reveals off-target insertion with Cas9. If one looks at the blot, the “off-target” insertion seems to be something else entirely and not related to editing.[如果看Figure S8,脱靶插入  似乎完全是一些别的且与编辑无关

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  3. stemcellfan on May 15, 2016 at 11:36 pm said:

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    Do you think it could be possible to edit genes in adults by this technique, too?

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  4. Chris Thorne on May 16, 2016 at 4:22 am said:

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    Hey Paul,

    I thought this was a hugely exciting paper, but mainly in the sense that it highlights how young this field of gene editing it [基因编辑还是一个非常年轻的领域].

    With regards to CRISPR vs. Ngago, I think there’s some benefits to the latter (no PAM requirements, smaller (complete list from me here:https://www.horizondiscovery.com/gene-editing/ngago) but if you’re already set up and running CRISPR-Cas9, there aren’t going to be huge advantages to leaping across at this stage.

    That said, for labs or companies that have not yet gone CRISPR it presents an exciting alternative, and (dare I say it) may be a less convoluted route when it comes to IP.

    We will see, but I suspect Ngago won’t be the last new nuclease for genome editing we see in 2016 [我不认为NgAgo会是2016年中最后一个新的核算酶

    Chris

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  5. Bud Haven on May 16, 2016 at 8:05 am said:

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    Now that we have a few examples of naturally occurring gene altering nucleases, can completely lab created nucleases be far behind?

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  6. admin on May 16, 2016 at 10:42 am said:

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    @Anonymous, you make some good points. I do think DNA guides are going to be easier though and as Chris mentioned and I should have in my article, the lack of a PAM requirement may prove very important in certain cases. The bottom line is that if NgAgo is better, people will switch to it. If it isn’t, they probably won’t [底线在于,如果NgAgo更好,人们都会去使用它;否则便不会]. Let’s see what the data in the next year or so tell us[让我们等待一年后左右会出来的数据].
    Paul

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  7. admin on May 16, 2016 at 10:43 am said:

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    @Chris, Yeah, for those of us who have invested time and resources into CRISPR it doesn’t make sense to switch right now. For certain applications that won’t work with CRISPR that well because of PAM issues or whatever though it might be worth trying NgAgo. Simple enough. Thanks for the comment. Paul

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  8. admin on May 16, 2016 at 10:44 am said:

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    @Bud, that’s a great point. Entirely or nearly entirely egineered editing systems may yield the best of the best features of different natural systems.

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  9. jack on May 17, 2016 at 8:55 am said:

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    NgAgo replys on 5′-P ssDNA which only cannot be generated via a plamisd, thus cannot delivered via plasmid or virus. It only can use the synthesized 5′-P DNA and delivered via transfection which could be a main bottemneck for this DNA based editing. And it’s editing result may be consistent since the transfection delivery is uncontrollable.

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  10. Jim Bacon on May 17, 2016 at 6:38 pm said:

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    Homology Medicines is also hinting that it has developed a gene editing technology that trumps CRISPR [Homology Medicine暗示过他们开发出了比CRISPR更好的工具]:

    http://www.fiercebiotech.com/can-5am-upstart-homology-leapfrog-gene-editing-pioneers

    “”In-Vivo gene editing, with high fidelity … has arrived,” Tweeted Arch’s Robert Nelsen this morning. “Not using Crispr or talens.” “

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  11. Anonymous Stem Cell Repairman on May 18, 2016 at 4:48 pm said:

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    @Jim Bacon

    From what limited information is at that link, it’s one of three things:

    1) Crossovers (most common in meiosis); not really exciting

    2) AAV with homology arms, like the paper from Mark Kay’s lab a couple years ago. Interesting, but I can’t tell if any of these Homology Medicines people are associated with them or just using the same idea (Side note: Steve Dowdy’s lab has shown that combining this approach with CRISPR/Cas9 results in extremely high efficiency of correct targets with the caveat of selection being required).

    3) Smoke and mirrors, people, smoke and mirrors. All aboard the hype train! Choo-choo!

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  12. Sheng Qian on July 20, 2016 at 10:37 pm said:

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    A war of word broke out on the reproducibility of Han’s work these days, especially on the Mitbbs website[中国最近爆发了关于han工作的口水战,特别是在MitBBS上]. The doubters, represented by Zhouzi Fang, said that no labs have repeated Han’s work, especially the Figure 4 results. The supporters claimed that 20 labs in China already repeated Han’s work, yet no data have been shown to support the claim. The doubters suspect that this is another STAP cell incident for China. To be fair, we should probably give more time for labs around the world to repeat Han’s work [公平的讲,我们需要给世界上各个研究小组更多的时间去重复], which was trumpeted in the Chinese media to be a Nobel prize worthy scientific breakthrough. Let’s just hope that this will not go down the same path as the STAP cells.[让我们希望它不会走与酸浴干细胞同样的路]

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  13. admin on July 21, 2016 at 11:55 am said:

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    @Sheng Qian,
    Could you please provide links to the webpage(s) that relate to your comment?
    Thanks,
    Paul




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